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I believe the tree metaphorically represents the tree in the garden.

When one bows down to accept a gift from the tree, they are doing three things: they want that present with their name on it (lust of the eye). After opening the gift and seeing that they received what  life).

1 John 2:15-17

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Do not love the world or the things of the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
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For all that is in the world, sensual lust, enticement for the eyes, and pride life, is not from the Father but is from the world.
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Yet the world and its enticement are passing away. But whoever does the will of God remains forever.

I humbly submit this not to enrage, but to testify, as to my personal path to Christ.


I'm afraid that if you cannot see the metaphorical imagery, you are missing my point.


love - Greek: agape - to regard the "spiritual" welfare of another; specifically in giving them the word (instruction) of God;

love/agape is a "him" manifested in the person of Jesus Christ when he died for his people (Rom. 13:10; I John 4:9,10);

the Biblical definition of love/agape is found in II John 6 "this is love (agape) that we walk after his commandments"

There is no word in the New Testament Greek for our word love. We have incorporated several Greek words into our English word "love". In 20th century America we have confused and misused two of these Greek words: agape and phileo. They are both translated "love" in the New Testament. The word phileo (love) means to be affectionate. Men corrupt the word agape (love) when they quote the Bible and imply that that agape is affection. John said, "God is love (agape)". Jesus said we are to love (agapeo - verb form of agape) our neighbor and our enemy (Mark 12:31; Matt. 5:44). He was not saying that we are to be affectionate (phileo) to them. He was saying that we are to "God" (agapeo) them, since God is love (agape). We are to give our neighbor and our enemy all that God is --his instruction. When we love (agape) our enemies we feed them the only food that is legal (prescribed) for sheep to consume (the law - instruction in God's word). The Lord defined legal food for his people when he said to Adam, "You may eat of all the trees of the garden except -- (Gen. 2:16,17)". Love (agape) is feeding on the word of God. We love (agape) others when we fellowship (eating at the Lord's "spiritual" table) with them, as we instruct in God's word. If a man does not believe God and read his Bible (understanding instruction himself), he cannot possibly love ( agapeo/agape) his neighbor or his enemy as Christ commanded us to do. To love (agape) does not mean to show affection (phileo) to them, but rather to give them the truth of God's word. "All the law (nomos - legal food - instruction) is fulfilled (finished or accomplished) in one word -- thou shalt love (agapeo - give God's instruction) thy neighbor (Gal. 5:14)." "Love (agape) worketh no ill (evil) to "his" (agape is the person, God) neighbor: therefore love (agape) is the fulfilling of the law (Rom. 13:10)." God is not affection (phileo). He is instruction in truth. "Thy word (instruction) is truth (John 17:17)." There will be a shortage of love (agape) at the end of time. Jesus said, "because iniquity (unlawful food) shall abound, the love (agape - instruction in the word) of many shall wax cold (Matt. 24:12; Amos 8:11,12).

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Regarding the meaning of lust:

1 John 2: 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.

James 1:14
But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.


∑ Lust - Greek: epithumia – It is a composite of epi; which means to super impose and thumia; which means to heat up. It can be described as when one breaths heavy, their body temperture rises, because they are overwhelmed with desire. This desire is not restricted to sex alone.

What is pride . . .

Peter and James say,

James 4:6 (1 Pet 5:5) God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace to the humble.

The word resisteth is the Greek word: "antitassomai" - meaning to set oneself to wage war against.

The word proud in this text is the Greek word huperephanos - appearing above, conspicuous, haughty. This word comes from:

* huper - above
* phaino - lighten, shine, appear

God will make war with those who love to shine above others. America is saturated with this desire to shine and appear above others with desiring more and better cars, houses, things, lands, stuff, etc. Even the so called evangelical Christians believe this is an acceptable life style. There is no call for the daily cross (Luke 9:23). You will have a very difficult time finding a church in America that will preach the daily cross on christmas.

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 I'd like to point out the hidden-in-plain-view double standard that those devoted to the theology of Christmas must uphold. That is, on the one hand they can easily ascribe mythological symbolism to cryptic New Testament passages. While on the other hand, upholding a unanimous literalistic interpretation when evaluating anything presented from the Hebrew Bible.

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With respects to the Christmas tree being pagan debate.

Two rules must be established. Otherwise the discussion is a non-starter.

Rule #1
Level the playing field.

Those that sanctify the Christmas tree as being Christian can't have it both ways. By that I mean, you can't argue that any reference to trees in the Bible must be interpreted literally. While at the same time, you freely take poetic license with any Scriptural citation that supports your metaphorical Christmas celebration. For instance, 'the three (?) wise men gave baby Jesus gifts, therefore, we exchange gifts with our loved ones.'

Point out the hidden-in-plain-view double standard that those devoted to the theology of Christmas demand be upheld. That is, on the one hand they can easily ascribe mythological symbolism to cryptic New Testament passages. While on the other hand, upholding a unanimous literalistic interpretation when evaluating anything presented from the Hebrew Bible.

Rule #2
Define worship, , sanctified, sacred.

Worship within the confines of this discussion does not mean bowing down and waving ones hands up in the air in submission. That is ridiculous and only comments using it as a counter-argument is unproductive.

Here is a definition of worship I completely agree with:

To paraphrase David Arthur DeSilva’s “An Introduction to the New Testament”:

It is not the mere worshiping of the tree that people are doing; rather, the tree represents aspects of the human social enterprise – economic power, military power, political power, family and social networking, and the like. Secular (Pagan) society becomes its own object of worship.


If you are uncomfortable with that definition, here is Merriam-Webster's Definition:

worship

1. reverent honor and homage paid to . . . . any object regarded as sacred.
4. the object of adoring reverence or regard.


Sanctified - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

1: to set apart to a sacred purpose or to religious use : consecrate
2: to free from sin : purify
3 a: to impart or impute sacredness, inviolability, or respect to b: to give moral or social sanction to

Sacred - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

1 a: dedicated or set apart for the service or worship of a deity <a tree sacred to the gods>
b: devoted exclusively to one service or use (as of a person or purpose) <a fund sacred to charity>
2 a: worthy of religious veneration : holy b: entitled to reverence and respect
3: of or relating to religion : not secular or profane <sacred music>

The Christmas tree is represented by all three definition.

The Christmas tree and the tree in Gen 3:1 both are represented by all three definition. The object of worship in the garden was self. Adam and Eve were seduced by Satan to thinking they were gods. Likewise, the Christmas tree seduces the devotee into wanting more (lust) and glorifying self as well.
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